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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.13 19:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: Syrec
The truth of the matter is that there is a price syndicate/monopoly on Covert Ops II cloaks.
If that is true CCP shouldnt come and bail us out.
in this case they should, as a required module for ship to function, they are an unfair bottleneck which no other ship has that requires a module to work. a module in this case very poorly distrubuted as a function of the bpo distrubution and build requirements.
Eh. Introduce a T1 covert cloak, not quite as good as todays T2, then boost the T2 slightly. That way the BPO holders get to keep the special AND we get the new covert T1 cloak BPO on the market.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.14 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/05/2006 19:54:17
Originally by: Hamatitio
its not the covert ops cloaks that are a cartel.
its the improved.
Yes, but that puts the covert prices, which depend on the improved, through the roof.
4 LOM, the price rose very sharply thanks to manufacturer action. This is one of the three modules where market demand does NOT determine prices, and the covert prices are high because the improved ones are high. (The other module here being the cap recharger II...you can see how ridiculous the price of THAT is by the price of the best named one!).
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.01 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/08/2006 03:32:14
Again..
Introduce a new T1 covert cloak, a little worse than the present one. Distribute BPO's via the lottery, the same number as the prototype cloaks. Make it the building requirement for the T2 covert cloak, which is a little better than the current one.
You now have..
T1 Prototype Cloak -> T2 Improved Cloak
And, seperately...
T1 Covert Cloak -> T2 Covert Cloak
That serves both to simplify the production chain, remove a cartel from the cloak supply chain and maintain at least some of the current worth of cloak BPO's. I think it's the best compromise.
Jenny Spitfire, yea, let's prevent anyone but the big alliances from scouting and using cloaked recons. Only they should be able to scout effectively... (sigh)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.01 03:43:00 -
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"open the market", right. Give everyone free access to T2. Wait, isn't ANOTHER common complaint that BS are too common? Well, T2 is the new BS for this argument.
There are a FEW cases of issues... CapII's (Eutectics are very nearly as good and MUCH cheaper), HAC's (which SHOULD be expensive...CCP, though, pushed up the price with several mistakes like the component BPO's and the prices can't really fall with current sell-out demand) and improved cloaks, because they're a precusor to covert cloaks...for no good reason, afaik.
Once they're no longer needed for covert cloaks, the price will crash. They'll still retain SOME value, which is more than the other ideas allow and which I feel is too harsh.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:39:00 -
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Hakera, that issue's being taken care of with the new scan probes which can locate cloaked ships given enough time. See the blog.
I also disagree that both the cloak I BPO's need to be on the market, just liberally seeded in the lottery.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
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Hakera, that issue's being taken care of with the new scan probes which can locate cloaked ships given enough time. See the blog.
So a cloaked pilot can't go afk all day in a zone any longer. This doesn't change the current power of cloaks.
The best change I saw put forth to balance cloaks is to require cloaks to burn fuel.
If by "balance" you mean "limit the use unless you're a big alliance", yes.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.06 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
the problem is similar to every t2 related problem.
No it's not. Look:
T2 (except Covert Ops Cloak II) = T1 item + stuff = T2 item.
T2 (Covert Ops Cloak II) = Proto T1 cloak + stuff = T2 improved cloak, THEN T2 improved cloak + stuff = T2 covert cloak.
See the difference now?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.06 14:55:00 -
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A year is BARELY sufficient with most to break even.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.08 22:54:00 -
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Well yes, Kcel, that's my soloution too - but the Covert Ops cloak IS a different issue from the other T2 modules because of the multi-stage production no other T2 module suffers from.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.08.18 20:12:00 -
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Xendie, if you did that then for those 3 months only a few ships would be offered and for 10x present...it makes them unviable to sell.
No, CCP are fixing the system with reverse enginnering, and people who want to try will in 99% of cases find that it's both boring and profitless for them. Except for the cloaks, because their unique 2-step production line... needs fixing in other ways.
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